Furnace Flats (left), Cardenas (right), and Palisades of the Desert (background) from the Hilltop Ruin Mile 71
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October 13 I juggled the menus just slightly and have posted the cooking crews. These can be found at http://www.runriverrun.com/River_Trips/GC2005/menu.html
When you pack your dry food, please take a sharpie or magic marker and put your Day # on every item that does not fit into your 20mm so that it will be easy to find when you are looking for it.
Let me know if you have any comments.
Thanks!
October 11 A couple of things/suggestions that I wanted to add... If it isn't on your list, I strongly suggest bringing a day pack. We'll be doing some longer hikes, some will be all day, so you'll need a pack for carrying water, lunch/snacks, etc. A day pack is also handy for putting stuff in that you'll want access to during the day: sun screen, water bottle, warmer clothes/rain gear. Anything that you will want access during the day can not be in your dry bag as they will be lashed down for the day. Also, for EACH loose item that you will be taking on the boat with you each day, you'll need a carabineer for each item. It is not the boatman's responsibility to supply you with carabineers, you need to bring them. I strongly suggest you get real carabineers, not the cheap $1-$2 key ring ones. You will find it more convenient to have one carabineer for each item rather than trying to 2 -3 things on one biner. It is also easier on the boatman to not have big bundles of stuff to deal with which is what happens when someone attaches everything together on one carabineer. Boxed wine - the feedback I receive all agreed to buying some boxed wine. Tom P suggested Black Box Wine http://www.blackboxwines.com/ so I'll be purchasing two cases (12 boxes - it's cheaper by the case) of 3L boxes. Their selection is Chardonnay, Cabernet Sauvignon , and Merlot. They also make a Shiraz but that variety is a bit harder to find in stock. But I'll keep looking. And finally, I hadn't thought about this before since almost everyone I know is a non-smoker, but I realized I don't know everyone on this trip so I need to say this. If you are a smoker, please do not do it around me or the rest of the group. You'll need to go off by yourself so that we do not have to deal with the stink of your cigarettes. If I had thought about this before, it would have been a condition of joining the trip, but because I don't have boating friends that smoke (or they just know how much I hate it they hide it really, really well), I just didn't think about it. So if you are a smoker, you lucked out. :-) Hopefully, this won't be an issue. Thanks for your understanding. Thanks, October 9 As we are within two weeks, here are some travel plans and the list of equipment that everyone is required or has said they will bring. Some are NPS regulations, some are mine. Please review and let me know of any additions, corrections, or questions. I also want to have all money issues done/balances paid before Page, so please make sure your balance due is paid by the end of this week. Be sure to bring any trip food/supply receipts with you so that I can issue refunds as soon as the trip is over. Thanks!
Travel Plans -
19th - Ken, Megan, & Jamie leave Idaho and will meet us in Page the morning of the 22nd. On the 21st, they will be purchasing all the meat and will have the store freeze it for us.
19th evening - Equipment/trailer packing at Paul's house
21st - Jeff, Sue, Melanie, Cecilia, Sharon C, Hilary, and myself leaving Denver arriving in Page that evening.
Not sure of Tom P, Lisa P, John, Sadie's plans at present but suggest they be in Page by the evening of the 21st. I also have a line on a 6th boat and a passenger, just waiting to hear back from them.
22nd - rendezvous at the Page Safeway at 8:30 AM to do our final food purchases and to organize food in the coolers and dry boxes. We'll then move to the Ferry, unload our gear, and send the shuttle on the way. The plan is one driver will take each vehicle (Ken's truck/trailer, Jeff's truck/trailer, Sadie's car, Tom's truck/trailer, Sharon C's SUV) to Flagstaff. The driver's will then driver back to the Ferry in Sharon's SUV where it will park for the duration. I was thinking it would be easier to have dinner at the Marble Canyon Lodge but I may have to adjust that since we'll just have the one vehicle. Any thoughts?
23rd - Final rigging. Cold breakfast of juice, hot water/coffee, bagels, spreads, yogurt, fruit. NPS orientation, safety talk, hit the river and see how far we get.
31st - Tom H, Sharon S, and Elizabeth hike down. Current plans are for them to hike down the Kaibab Trail and to meet us at Phantom Ranch at noon as a couple of our people hiking out want to see Phantom. Jeff, Sue, and Sadie will either hike up Kaibab or we'll split the trip in two briefly so they can hike up the Bright Angel (a much easier hike). As we are only permitted to have 16 on the river at once, we can not all travel at the same time to Pipe Creek (this saves them 2 miles of hiking), so three/four boats will go to Pipe Creek to drop off Jeff, Sue, and Sadie. Thirty minutes later, the final three/four boats will catch up with them at Pipe Creek with Tom H, Sharon S, and Elizabeth.
Nov 12th - Canyon REO will meet us with an equipment truck and a 15 passenger van at Diamond Creek at 10 AM. We'll derig the boats and load all equipment in the truck. We'll then hop into the passenger van and crew cab of the truck and drive back to Canyon REO in Flagstaff where the gear will be unloaded. Our vehicles will be picked up from storage, brought back to Canyon REO and loaded.
Any other thoughts, suggestions, etc., please let me know.
Menu order - I have a tentative menu order - http://www.runriverrun.com/River_Trips/GC2005/menu.html - please look at your slot and let me know if you have any concerns. I'm also working on cooking crew assignments (three per crew). Top half people will have two meals, bottom half three, and full-trippers four. Ken will be doing just his meal as he has taken responsibility for filtering water; I will have just one meal also as I'll be doing the groover, but I'm sure we'll both pitch in as necessary.
Equipment List Jamie - 14 ft Cat - not sure what else you cat has - cooler size, dry box??? Sharon C Tom H - Melanie's kayak
First Aid Kit? John - kayak
spare kayak paddle Sue
3 propane tanks Anything else you can think of, please let me know. As always, all important emails have been posted on http://www.runriverrun.com/River_Trips/GC2005/updates.html Water Levels - From October 8, 2005 through October 19, 2005, releases are scheduled return to the 6,500 to 9,000 cfs fluctuating flow regime. From October 20, 2005 through October 31, 2005 scheduled releases return to the steady 8,000 cfs regime to complete the test. October 8 Here is the bulk shopping list I've compiled so far. This is very important - I need you to look up your section on this and double check it with your menu to make sure nothing has been forgotten. If on your menu the item is in black, it should be on the attached list on the "Shopping List" tab OR on the "Stables" tab (these are items I will be buying a bunch of. If you find something missing, let me know ASAP.
If the item is in Red then it is your responsibility to purchase and pack it. Pack non-can items in your 20mm box first. It makes sense to line your 20mm with a garbage bag to ensure everything stays waterproof. Try to minimize glass whenever possible (for example, but mayo in a plastic tube rather than a glass jar). Eliminate any unnecessary packaging (transfer into a ziploc if that makes sense, but be sure to save the directions). Everything that won't fit in your 20mm, bring it in a small box. Later this week, I'll be assigning meals to days and you'll then need to take a magic marker and write the Day # on those items that are not in your 20mm. Also, print out all three meals from your menu spreadsheet I sent you and pack them in the 20mm.
The second thing you need to check - if you are planning on a Dutch Oven and it is not by your name on the "Shopping List" you need to let me know. We will have two 12" and one 14" - please specify the number and size of Dutch Ovens you need otherwise we won't have enough charcoal. It is YOUR responsibility that your meal is complete and everything you need is either in Red or on the bulk list. So make a thorough double check. Some things to pack in your box even if they weren't on your menu list - each box should have a 16 oz can of Evaporated Milk for coffee. If you are a coffee drinker and have a creamer preference, you need to purchase it and bring it and we'll pack it in Page.
I took the liberty to adjust some amounts and to simplify some meals due to overkill or space concerns. Please let me know if you find any errors or have any issues with my adjustments.
Any questions, please let me know. October 4 I think I have good estimates for the trip now so I'm ready to ask for final balances. I've come up with $885 for the full trip; $470 for the top half, and $600 for the Bottom Half. Some of my cost estimates are on the liberal side so I'm pretty confident there will be refunds after the trip is over and all expenses are in. But I have found it is much easier to collect money before hand rather than after.
Since some of you are buying some food and some not, some are bringing boats and other equipment, I'm not asking for the same amount from everyone. So here goes:
Sharon C, Hillary, Jamie, Ken or Megan - $500 each
Cecilia - $800
Sue L, Sadie - $100 each
Sharon S, Tom H - $300 each
Elizabeth - $200
Please mail me your check within the next week. Thanks!
Also, please be sure to save all your receipts for trip food/supplies and bring an expense report (list all the amounts with a total) with the receipts with you or mail them to me when you are finished.
Any questions, let me know. Thanks!
September 30 A co-worker of mine, who works at Starbucks as well, was able to score us some FREE coffee. I have 5lbs of beans of some Sul-blah-blah blend, described as deep, And, i'm not sure what the overall need is. is 5lbs of beans enough for 21 days of breakfasts and some evening coffee, too? If not, then, paul, you'll have to pick up some more at sam's. Let me know what you think Melanie +++++++++++++++++++ As I'm packing a couple of thoughts came to mind...
If you are planning on a DO meal/dessert, please add the size DO you are planning to use and put that on to your spreadsheet. I came across a calculator that will total up the charcoal needed, so I just need to count the number of each size DO and can figure the charcoal quantity that way. If you are planning on grilling, just put a 10# bag on your menu.
If you are planning an aluminum foil intensive item (garlic bread, etc.), plus add Aluminum foil to your menu and add to your shopping list. I will have some in the Staples box, but it would be a shame to run out.
Here is the list of what I'm planning for the Staples Box. Let me know if you have any requests: Small spice box (cinnamon, cumin, pepper, Tabasco, Garlic Powder) - Melanie is working on a bigger, more complete one.
Salt & Pepper shakers
Canola Oil
Olive Oil
Sugar
Carton of Salt
Gatorade
Powdered milk
Evaporated milk (just a couple)
Decaf Coffee Tea Hot Choc Honey Zip Locks Aluminum Foil Any other requests?
September 29 In order to plan the Lee's Ferry shuttle, I need to get an idea of how many vehicles will be showing up. Here is my guess:
Ken, Megan, Jamie - 1 truck and 1 trailer
Tom, Lisa, John - 1 truck and 1 trailer
Jeff, Sue, Paul - 1 truck and 1 trailer
Sharon, Hillary - 1 SUV
Melanie, Cecilia - gear in Jeff's truck/trailer but 5 in his cab may be a bit much; maybe join Sharon & Hillary and we'll caravan down
Sadie - own car or is a friend dropping you off?
Based on this scenario, we'll have 5 - 6 cars to get to Flagstaff and we'll need to use Sharon's SUV as the vehicle to bring the drivers back to the Ferry. Sharon's car will be parked at the Ferry for the trip and we'll have to get her back there afterwards to pick it up.
Another scenario would be if Sadie had a friend that could transport the drivers back to the Ferry.
On another note, please add a bowl to your list of eating utensils to bring. There are some meals of cereal and soup which will be hard to eat off a plate.
Thanks,
September 28 Response has been unanimous from those I heard from - I've arranged to rent a satellite phone for the trip. Thanks for your feedback! Ken, Tom, Melanie... I'd like to use your empty Eco-safes as a spot to store trip toilet paper, so please do not prep them with blue goo before hand. I am putting together a Groover supply 20mm that will have that in it. The supply box will also include a cleaning brush, lysol, hand soap, dry Clorox, and latex gloves.
I'll be buying TP in bulk from Sam's Club and we'll pack the TP in the canisters in Page. Melanie, could you bring your Eco-Safe seat unit since your boat with the two hatches has more rocket box storage space than Ken or Tom's rig.
A calculator I have suggested 40 gallons of space. By my count, the three of you have 4 canisters (Ken 2, Tom & Melanie one each), of 5.5 gallons each. I have two River Bank units. I couldn't find the gallon capacity, but they are advertised as 60 person uses.
I also thought that since my two River Bank toilets are larger, we'd use them first as then we'll have a better idea of rationing capacity. By minimizing urine and by treating TP Mexican style if we have too, I think we'll be fine.
In order to conserve capacity, it is important that we minimize urine in the groovers until we know we'll be okay. Most camps have groover sites right by the river. Even so, Ladies - I am willing to set up a separate pee bucket under one condition - that you dump your liquid into the river after you use it.
Any comments, suggestions, feedback, feel free.
September 27 I've posted the menus that I have on the website - you can see it here: http://www.runriverrun.com/River_Trips/GC2005/menu.html (scroll down a bit). Any adjustments that you would like to make based on what you see others are planning, please submit ASAP.
Also, as you can see, less than half of the menus have been sent. Some have said your submissions were going to be delayed from the deadline of last Friday. I need them ASAP. I also have many things to do and this trip is taking a lot of my time, so your delay is affecting my schedule and my business. Everyone had 3 weeks notice to get this aspect of the trip in so please do your part. Those of you that are recent additions (in the last week), I didn't expect yours last Friday, but please let me know when you will be able to get yours in. The sooner the better.
Thanks for your cooperation.
I also went through a lot of the emails and posted what were the most important items on the Updates page: http://www.runriverrun.com/River_Trips/GC2005/updates.html in case you want/need to find any information.
I should have the balance of each of the trips (all, top, bottom) ready here in the next few days. Please be ready to send me the balance in a timely manner.
Thanks everyone,
September 26 I talked to the Park Service today and confirmed that a trip leader/permit holder will ultimately be financially responsible if a river evacuation is done and the person who is evacuated doesn't pay. Thus, the following will be required for you to bring - a credit card in case you are the one who is evacuated.
In addition, there is insurance the will cover you for a medical evacuation (you are looking at well over $2000 for a helicopter evac). Normal health insurance DOES NOT cover this service. Thus, I recommend that you strongly consider the following coverage from Diver's Security Insurance. It's only $28 for a year. http://www.diverssecurity.com/ What applies to us is Class C & D Coverage (5% deductible).
If you don't bring a credit card, it will be mandatory that you have the following insurance - a credit card and/or proof of insurance will be required to go on the trip.
Thanks for your understanding.
September 23 Just wanted to express again/remind what each raft will need to be configured to carry.
The plan is to have 16 people on the trip. There is one kayaker on the top half; two on the lower half. Thus the math works out with six boats, each boat will need to carry a minimum of two people total, with two - three boats carrying three people total.
Each boat will also need to carry a minimum of 4 days worth of food and the resulting garbage, whether it is in 20mm rocket boxes (preferably) or your dry boxes. I've run into this problem in the past (so far from no one on this trip) so I need to express this - if you plan on carrying your food in your dry box, you will also have to carry the garbage out in the dry box. If you won't carry garbage in your dry box, then your food needs to be in rocket box. No one wants to go down the river smelling garbage. :-) Each raft will also need to have 2 bail buckets.
I'm hoping in the next week or so to map out the boats on what each will be carrying.
Personal gear -
When you are packing your dry bag, please remember that when it comes to loading the boats, smaller is better. Those huge dry bags that can be the size of garbage cans are really a pain in the ass to rig on boats. Therefore, please do not plan on putting everything and the kitchen sink into one dry bag. Tents/sleeping bags are what really bulk up bags. If you want to keep them dry, please consider purchasing a second small, narrow dry bag to pack these in. REI has them for about $28. http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=12139594&parent_category_rn=4501503&
Even better, investing in a Paco Pad is ideal as they are easy to rig onto boats and are very comfortable. http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.asp?pfid=2705
September 21 I walked around Sam's Club today to get an idea of what items can be purchased in bulk with the idea more of making it easier first, and saving money second.
Here is the list of what I came up with:
Bread
Eggs
Apples
Oranges
Grapefruit
Trail Mix
Tomatoes
Bagels
Mustard
PB
Jelly
Hot Chocolate
Tea
Cheese - could buy blocks and then cut them up and package in zip locks
Coffee Beans
Paper Towels
Toilet Paper
Ziploc bags, large and small
Oil
Dish Soap
Clorox
Blue Gu for portable toilets
Any other suggestions, please let me know.
To make it a bit easier and to avoid overbuying, I was thinking that we would have a lunch supply box for items like PB and Jelly, Mustard, so each person would not have to stock their 20mm with these items. To aid in the minimizing garbage space department, avoid glass containers whenever buying a plastic container is possible.
The bulk coffee was only in whole beans but there was a grinder there. I'd like to get an idea of how much coffee is needed per day. My coffee/tea/hot choc making system is to boil a pan of water. I have a coffee pot with filters. Hot water is ladled into the filter so coffee is made in batches. I need help in how much coffee we'll need per day. I know that Melanie, John, and I are not coffee drinkers, so we are looking at a maximum of 13 coffee drinkers.
To help you out, I walked around the grocery store today and weighed some items. I came up with 3 lbs for a lunches worth of tomatoes, about 1 lb for a decent sized onion, and 4.5 lbs for 16 people's worth of grapefruit. As for apples and oranges, I'll probably just buy a case of each and we'll eat them as we go. If any others have milk crates, they are perfect for storing these items. I've cut a piece of plywood and use it as a lid for the milk crate.
I decided to bring two fire pans. Jeff has one with a grill (NRS style); Melanie has one that is just the pan. We'll use hers for any campfires and for burning trash.
Does anyone have lanterns? Battery powered would be preferred so we aren't messing with fragile mantles.
Melanie and I talked to today about cook crews. I was thinking we could get by with crews of three. Each person would cook when their menu came up. Thus, it may not work out perfectly evenly scheduled (every 4th or 5th day depending on how many people we end up) but everyone should end up with the same number of days - four or five.
Ken, what kind of water filter do you have again, gravity feed right?
Remember, each oarboat needs to bring 2 bail buckets. Home Depot has them if you don't have access to a restaurant.
Does any one have horseshoes, bocchi ball?
Thanks all,
September 7th It's time to start getting serious about the menu. I'm attaching an Excel spreadsheet that I need everyone to use for turning in their menu. It's pretty self explanatory but I want to point out a couple of things.
This is the longest trip I've coordinated meals for, so bear with me and be timely, otherwise it could all go to hell. Also, as we get closer, there will be more communications, so it is critical that you check email daily and respond in a timely manner if appropriate. Any questions, please let me know. Thanks!
July 26th RRFW Riverwire – THEFTS AT LEES FERRY, AZ Release date: July 27, 2005 Last week, thefts were reported at the boater’s campsite at Lees Ferry, AZ, the put-in for rafting the Colorado River through Grand Canyon National Park. The thefts occurred on two separate days. Stolen were 4 backpacks in one incident and a cot in another, both apparently while the noncommercial groups were having dinner at nearby Marble Canyon Lodge. Although 3 of the 4 backpacks were later recovered by the side of the put-in road, all valuables had been removed. According to NPS sources, no one suspicious was seen in the area around the time of the thefts. The NPS notes that there had been only 2 thefts at Lees Ferry in the last 5 years until the two most recent incidents. Park sources suggest that river parties leave someone at the put-in campsite at all times, or leave for dinner in two separate groups. In instances when the entire party must attend the mandatory orientation lecture (trips are sometimes allowed to leave one member with recent experience behind to serve as a guard), all valuables should be taken along to the ranger’s orientation trailer. July 17th From some posts on the GCPBA Yahoo! Group about changes in Hermit Rapid - "I had heard
from a friend that something has changed in Hermit, that there is a
monster living in the tail waves. So at 18K we stopped to look at it.
The fifth wave (the one my wife refers to as Godzilla) was as big as
ever. It looked plenty runnable but troublesome every minute or so when ---- " Our trip saw it about June 17 or 18 and we were just as surprised as you. It was the talk of the canyon. Most of the speculation was that a boulder/s was washed down from the flood last winter and the wave was just showing up with the higher flows that started in June. Three of our 8 boats ran all of the middle and one flipped in this new wave. Got some great video and stills of her going over. I heard it called everything from the 7th to 11th wave but there is no mistaking what one every one was talking about. We were told it really got a commercial trip a day or two behind us. Flipped a couple of boats and lost some stuff. " ---- "On my last trip we ran Hermit on the afternoon of June 18th, and it did indeed appear a bit different. We had a long day on the water, starting above Unkar, and were running on the peak flow... around 17 or 18k cfs, so we'd seen some great action. From many previous trips, I was under the impression that the 5th wave didn't really pose much of a problem at this water level, and - on the contrary - the waves would be about as big as they get before they start breaking hard, and flipping boats. So as we entered the rapid, I told the folks in my boat "This will be the Grand Finale!" The fifth wave, to my surprise, was breaking fairly hard, enough to
bite off most of my momentum. I was rowing an 18' Avon Super-Pro
bucket boat, which with four passengers, myself, and gear for a 13 day
trip probably weighs a ton or more. And then I noticed another, even That one stopped us altogether, and as we sat there stalled on top of the beast, it occurred to me (and everyone else in the boat) that if we slipped backwards it was all over. But the gods smiled, and after a longish pause we slid on downstream. We were all whooping and hollering about our good fortune when I noticed that the paddle boat in front of us was upside down. AzRA paddle boats are 18' self-bailing Sotars, and carry a guide, six passengers, and a substantial load of gear as well - big and stable enough to run the gut of Hermit most of the time without any problem. But not this time. We thought the problem wave was the 8th one, but - since we weren't expecting it - could be that it was the 10th, or some other number. We didn't scout from shore as it was late in the day and we were expecting that Hermit would just be a big, great, and relatively forgiving ride at that level. I can't remember ever counting the waves at Hermit, I'm always concentrating on trying to hit them straight, or - once in awhile - cheat the biggest ones when there's a good chance a flip is in the works. But yeah, seems like something is different than it used to be.... June 30th From a post on the GCPBA Yahoo! Group - Mountain Lions in GCNP: "Nov 1 2004, about 7:30 a.m., I observed what I could only conclude were very fresh (overnight or that morning) Mt. Lion tracks on the beach at Boucher Canyon Rapids where the boats typically take out (upstream from rapids & Boucher Creek). My thought was this might be frequented visit point for picking up any food items left by boaters. Marks from the boats were covered by the more recent tracks, as if scouring that section of beach, only. Out party of six was camped further downstream in the commonly used area. We were pleasantly visited after dusk by 4 or 5 ringtail cats. One decided to sit on my 250 lb 33 y/o son's face after midnight, only to be catapulted many feet skyward after he realized this was not home and this was not the house cat. Also, about 8:00 a.m. 3 mountain goat walked in from the west canyon side back up their well used trail on east canyon side, a trail line that comes within 200 feet or less of the site of the tracks. Thus there is seemingly plenty of game to sustain Mt. Lion in the Boucher Canyon area. Yet, I was rather surprised, both by the size of the tracks and because I thought they were somewhat scarce and mainly on the North Rim. I live in Chattanooga and have had a fair amount of experience with black bears and wild boar in the Appalachians, and I fear not to hike solo. They are easy to scare off, with rare exception (i.e., the time an over-protective boar chased me until out of range from his little ones). But I have no experience with the big cats. Is there a web site that posts Mt. Lion / Cougar sightings and population levels in GC area?" Reply - "Indeed, the lions are throughout the park. A mountain lion was hit by a car last night between Desert View and the New Hance trailhead. There are 4 lions with radio collars in the park at this time. One of them was on the south rim this spring, and has since gone from the rim to the river west of the village, then went (swam) across the river, and hiked up to the North Rim, where she is roaming now. The actual population of lions at GC is unknown. Their habits are only now being studied here at GRCA. There is no web site with this info up at this time." June 27th Books If you are interested in River Guides, a new one that is really good is Guide to the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon by Tom Martin and Duwain Whitis. Another good one is Larry Steven's The Colorado River in Grand Canyon - A Guide, however it is out-of-print so a copy may be hard to find. The old standby is Buss Belknap's Grand Canyon River Guide. All come in waterproof editions. An interesting guide to side hikes is Tom Martin's Day Hikes From the River - Second Edition. Other good books are:
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